Qatar Airways To Philadephia, Addis Ababa, Clark ? Civil Aviation ...
Qatar Airways to Philadephia with 777's-- just now from QR's official Twitter account.
It will start services to Adis Ababa (Finally!) and to Clark Manila Airport as well!
Announced in the Arabian Travel Market in Dubai...!
Philadephia, surprising choice.
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[Edited 2013-05-06 05:16:24]
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Huge news for PHL. Certainly shows the value of the city to AA also.
Starting Clark in competition with EK will be interesting.
Is there a date, or is this yet another "someday", along with ATL, BOS, DTW...?
Really, are they going to drop JFK?
This route is going to flop, a 77W from PHL to Qatar?..
QR is seemingly playing catch up with EY and EK.
That said, however, their network is very extensive.
How about adding DBN to the mix? Get some actual competition for EK and their 77W's.
Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter): Qatar Airways to Philadephia with 777's-- just now from QR's official Twitter account.
It will start services to Adis Ababa (Finally!) and to Clark Manila Airport as well!
Announced in the Arabian Travel Market in Dubai...!
Philadephia, surprising choice.
With PHL becoming an AA hub why is it surprising ? More logical then Charlotte for an airline like Qatar. Its the big east coast airports which get most of the international flights from the Middle East airlines.
Quoting DexSwart (Reply 6): QR is seemingly playing catch up with EY and EK.
Not EY: it has 74 non-stop destinations while QR has 118 and EK has 119. All based on the specific date 12th May 2013.
EY non-stop destination breakdown:
Domestic: 1 (i.e, AUH)
Africa 8
Asia Pacific 33
Schengen Europe 7
Other Europe 8
Latin America 0
Middle East 13
North America 4
QR:
Domestic 1 (i.e., DOH)
Africa 19
Asia Pacific 41
Schengen Europe 18
Other Europe 13
Latin America 2
Middle East 19
North America 5
EK:
Domestic 1 (i.e, DXB)
Africa 21
Asia Pacific 38
Schengen Europe 20
Other Europe 13
Latin America 3
Middle East 15
North America 8
In terms of non-stop freight destinations: EY 29; EK 44; and QR 45.
Source: CAPA.
EK recently added CRK as well and will start operations from October 1, 2013. Who will be first? QR or EK?
Is there really that opportunity? I'm serious. Are EK's pre-sales going that well? Or is this a bluff?
Will the Philippines open up more airports? It would help their economy...
Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 9): EK recently added CRK as well and will start operations from October 1, 2013. Who will be first? QR or EK?
I wonder that myself...
Quoting FSDan (Reply 2): Is there a date, or is this yet another "someday", along with ATL, BOS, DTW...?
I'm sure some will happen. I'm also sure some are 'nice to haves.'
Quoting DexSwart (Reply 6): QR is seemingly playing catch up with EY and EK.
Before the 9W/EY partnership, it was EY trailing... Now QR will (future tense) feel the heat. The code share destinations in India will *really* help EY.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7): With PHL becoming an AA hub why is it surprising ?
At least QR takes their position in OneWorld Seriously. Now when will the other airilnes. ??
Due to the alliance, I think
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8): Not EY: it has 74 non-stop destinations while QR has 118 and EK has 119. All based on the specific date 12th May 2013.
Thank you for the numbers. EY definitely has catching up to do. I hope the 9W scissor hub works as well as envisioned. But EY has definitively been the 3rd place mid-east airline. I'm shocked how few African and European destinations EY has. Do you know a reason? To improve EY's visability, the EY/9W scissor hub will have to add dozens of routes!
Lightsaber
Cool! This opens so many possibilities out of PHL by connecting in DOH.
Rahul
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7): With PHL becoming an AA hub why is it surprising ?
Because PHL cannot support service to NRT, PEK, PVG, HKG, GIG, GRU, EZE etc.. but it can support Qatar with a 77W?
Appparently it can.
Is PHL going to be daily or sub-daily?
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Not EY: it has 74 non-stop destinations while QR has 118 and EK has 119. All based on the specific date 12th May 2013.
Please note that these data are shifting rapidly for all ME3 carriers.
On 15 May 2013, EY adds 1x Europe Schengen destination AMS to reach 75 total destinations.
On 15 June 2013, EY adds 1x Europe Other destination BEG to reach 76 total.
On 4 September, EK adds 1x Europe Schengen destination ARN to reach 120 total
While new codeshare destinations are rising particularly rapidly for EY with its cooperation agreements.
Certainly a surprise route for PHL. Though I would have expected an 787, a 77W does seem like it could be too much plane for the route.
Quoting factsonly (Reply 14): Please note that these data are shifting rapidly for all ME3 carriers.
Of course it is continually changing, hence putting:
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8): All based on the specific date 12th May 2013.
Otherwise it's never-ending.
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Why the 777 is there a large freight market out of PHL? Are we certain its a 77W and not a 77L I would have thought something the size of a 787 would have been more suited to the route.
I still can't believe QR will be adding routes prior to the opening of the new airport... I just can't see where they keep finding the space.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 12): Because PHL cannot support service to NRT, PEK, PVG, HKG, GIG, GRU, EZE etc.. but it can support Qatar with a 77W?
While I would have expected Boston to come before Philly, I think the statement above is pretty unfair. ORD cant support EZE or GIG and has QR. I think PHL can support NRT although nothing has materialzed.
PHL bleeds a lot of traffic to EWR. They probably can capture much more O&D and with the connections provided, fill the plane nicely.
Have they confirmed it will 77W and not a 77L?
Couldn't they do it with a 787? Do they need a 777w?
Quoting STT757 (Reply 12): Because PHL cannot support service to NRT, PEK, PVG, HKG, GIG, GRU, EZE etc.. but it can support Qatar with a 77W?
Now PHL will have (more) one stop options to the Far East and S/SE Asia. The new airport in Doha should be another plus.
I think the logic of the PHL flight is for connections within the US. In JFK, they could concentrate on O&D traffic from NYC to DOH and beyond, while in PHL they could 1) have the advantage of being the first international flight to the Middle East/Asia and 2) connect passengers thru PHL instead of "wasting" JFK seats that are probably more valuable selling them NY passengers.
Huh? Where did that question come from???
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 21): I think the logic of the PHL flight is for connections within the US. In JFK, they could concentrate on O&D traffic from NYC to DOH and beyond, while in PHL they could 1) have the advantage of being the first international flight to the Middle East/Asia and 2) connect passengers thru PHL instead of "wasting" JFK seats that are probably more valuable selling them NY passengers.
With QR in OW along with AA who has bought US Airways, the PHL mega hub will allow it to tap into many other U.S. markets indirectly through code share service AA-QR. This new route is definitely not to capture O&D traffic but mainly for transfer traffic.
From the on set, yes it does not warrant a daily B77W operated service but the way in which QR will aggressively market the service along with being a preferred carrier flying directly out of PHL it should be able to support a daily B787 or B77L easily.
According to this article, it expects to launch PHL from 2014 most likely Summer 2014 http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/0...ar-airways-plans-philadelphia.html
Also remember QR is not alone in selling this flight, as AA too shall be code sharing on this new route and will contribute significantly from its end as well. One thing is for sure, UPENN and other university students in the PHL area will definitely appreciate the alternative option on offer by QR versus flying BA/LH/AF/UA etc. From PHL to the Indian Subcontinent/GCC region, I reckon LH's market share will be negatively impacted the most with the arrival of QR.
25 DTW2HYD: Just thinking out loud. They closed EWR for JFK. Now starting PHL. I was thinking may be they don't want to deal with JFK and in 2014 they may up gau
26 SCQ83: Well what I was trying to say is that QR can "liberate" this way their JFK flights from connections with AA on that side. I am sure QR will rather tr
27 usair330: Um unless I missed something US bought AA. But I see Emirates making a move into PHL in the next year if QR is successful.
28 awacsooner: Are they taking location marketing from FR?
29 IrishAyes: Didn't see this one coming, but understand the logic behind the game-changing decision. Seems to me like Qatar is placing a high-priority on alliance-
31 anstar: Lets not forget it is not just O&D traffic but PHL to Africa, Asia, Mid East and Australia traffic.
32 airbazar: I'll believe it when I see it.
33 cjpmaestro: This comment has absolutely no basis or founding. PHL has not had service to Asia - but they could support service and I think it is just a matter of
34 superjeff: Actually, the issue was equipment, not business. US does not have any aircraft with the legs to do NRT or PVG easily. If they did, they'd be using th
35 Byrdluvs747: I'm so tired of hearing this cop out. US could have placed an order or leased aircraft just like any other airline.
36 wn676: If I'm not mistaken, they do have orders for the A350.
37 9w748capt: Well what I think IrishAyes is saying is this is indeed game-changing when you think about one of the gulf three starting a route based more on poten
40 DTW2HYD: Well New Jersey population using QR @ JFK may prefer PHL.
41 9w748capt: Heck if they're going to do PHL then MIA is a relative no-brainer? Another oneworld stronghold plus the leisure O&D to south florida plus the rel
42 thenoflyzone: Why, this route reminds me of QR choosing YUL over YYZ. QR like to go off the beaten path and try something new, and that is refreshing to see. I thi
43 PHLapproach: Yea, 22 to boot! As long as the program doesn't hit snags. Which needless to say commercial aircraft design hasn't been able to do for quite some tim
44 WesternA318: With the merger, it just might be able to. Also, why would QR drop JFK? That would be asinine. I'm not shocked they picked a 777 for the route, it's
45 mia305: With QR in OW makes perfect sense to fly to PHL with AA/US merging it'll offer a lot more connection options than say JFK. QR will probably start it o
46 LAXdude1023: I think a Gulf carrier could make MIA work, but this wont be the reason why. I would not call the Asian population (South or East Asian) sizable with
47 attyavgeek: Everyone who is being skeptical of QR flying into PHL, including myself, needs to realize and read between the lines that QR would not have announced
48 steeler83: I think they tried to, but I think (IINM) that they could not secure them in time before the deadline. They let their slots expire and I think DL pic
49 TakeOff: Sorry for straying off topic but any news when they may be starting ATH-JFK? Their press release said "Spring 2013" but the city pair ATH-JFK isn't sh
50 IAH59: They should bring the 777w to IAH and use that 777-200lr at PHL.
51 Byrdluvs747: While we are talking about QR serving OW hubs, how would LAX fit into their network? AA can provide some feed, but not as much as PHL. So is DOH-LAX t
52 LAXdude1023: My thoughts exactly. PHL bleeds a lot to EWR and with this flight, they will recapture a good portion of that.
53 IrishAyes: To this point, this is why I feel that a merged AA will be able to take PHL to the next level that it has the potential to support, which it could no
54 jfk777: The reason none of those cities has been flown is USair didn't have the right international range airplanes, AA does. Philadelphia to Tokyo and Sao P
55 WesternA318: Not that they havent tried, either. US just hit the plateau with regards to PHL. AA could take it further, and more than likely will, as it would mor
56 usairways85: I think this might be evident by PHL-TLV. PHL certainly has a decent Jewish population but given at how successful PHL-TLV has been I bet they have t
57 mia305: QR sees long term the potential in PHL, with US/AA merging it'll be easier to connect pax going beyond PHL now that US will be in OW. If QR flew to BO
58 commavia: I actually think this could work - for many of the reasons already mentioned. PHL is a huge hub, and it's the logical gateway into the eastern U.S. fo
59 solarflyer22: This would be a great route for the 787. I like the idea of going to philly but I kind of question whether they can fill a 777 on this route. It certa
60 AABB777: QR does have a small sub-fleet (maybe two or three) of 77Ws with only 24 in Business Class. These are used on the DOH-MNL routing. Perhaps this higher
61 usairways85: 77L: 42/217 77W: 42/293. I don't see a 2nd 77W config. 788: 22/232 If they can't send the 788 then I think the 77L is definitely more appropriate at l
62 mesaflyguy: You do realize that QR does indeed fly to JFK right? In fact, if this whole ATH thing pans out they won't just fly to Qatar from JFK.
63 WesternA318: {crosses fingers} I cant wait! I seriously hope it comes to fruition
64 mia305: Sorry for the mistake I know that QR flies to JFK. What I ment to say was that PHL offers more connections than JFK or BOS. With the AA/US merge QR s
66 hohd: PHL has no competition from EK or EY, so it is no-brainer especially with the oneworld alliance. This route will succeed may be initially with 787 pro
67 crownvic: PHL is one of the most under-served big U.S. cities by international carriers. Because of this, USAirways has benefited immensely. Your negative comm
68 miaintl: I can see QR coming to CLT at this point, especially considering that CLT will soon replace MIA as AA's primary Latin American hub. Also CLT unlike MI
69 mia305: What have you been smoking. No way CLT will ever take over as AA's primary Latin American hub. I see QR flying to MIA before CLT and I'm sure everyon
70 phlwok: Aside from TLV, where US does not have an alliance partner on the Israeli side, no one has attempted a Middle Eastern flight out of PHL. PHL has a de
71 miaskies: Please educate yourself. CLT replacing MIA as the AA's Latin American hub!?!?!
72 sankaps: It is a positive move by QR, but please note it is enabled significantly due to the feed AA/US will being to them through the alliance. All airlines
73 Byrdluvs747: So one has to wonder if this kills or hinders AA's return to India. On the other hand, will a nonstop from ORD/JFK perform better to DEL than QR's one
74 BlueSky1976: I, for one, am very happy to see a new carrier to arrive at my former "home" international airport (PHL). While I do not think the route will sustain
75 DTW2HYD: Well there are too many players serving Delhi. There is not enough O&D between ORD-DEL or JFK-DEL. If one has to take a connection either in US o
76 max550: They could have, but with 2 or 3 planes on one route I doubt they'd get a ton of interest. Most people would probably still take UA or DL out of NY j
77 AABB777: The 77W that operates QR646 DOH-MNL has 24 in Business Class and 356 in Economy Class.
79 usairways85: Ah ok, the only issue with using a lower density premium cabin config is that you have a ton of econ seats. 356 is likely over kill there.
80 LAXdude1023: Statements like this make you look like you dont know anything about local market O&D's or the airline industry in general. CLT cannot support a
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